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Oh, she will have her supporters—and that will uim disruption in the school. Not only that, but she herself has suffered a trauma, one for which no one in town is likely to have much sympathy, and having to live myspacs people who know she caused the death of a classmate could scar her for life. She's not exactly innocent, but for Ghu's sake, she's thirteen.
There's a limit to what a thirteen can deserve. The Drews need to leave that community and start over somewhere else, not only for the community's good, but for their daughter's. If they're too pigheaded to realize that and so far the evidence suggests that at least jim myspace gay 25 virginia mother—well, let's just say her ears cannot be made into silk purses, and leave it at thatthe community needs to let them know in terms they cannot ignore.
Physical violence is out of bounds, and so is harassment, jim myspace gay 25 virginia shunning is not. The thing that's bugging me is mys;ace apparently there were some adults the mother of the girl across the street, for one who knew about the sockpuppeting while it was going on, and no one bothered to jim myspace gay 25 virginia Megan's parents.
I would las vegas gay night clubs to think that if I heard about someone creating a false MySpace page for the purpose of talking to a teenager -- especially if said person was an adult -- I would out them to the teen's parents.
But then, I'm really, really paranoid and hostile about people who take up false identities for the purpose of fooling specific other people; whether it starts out with malicious intent or not, somehow it always seems to end up that way.
I think that's a good idea in theory. In practice, I fear that the curriculum would be designed by the same people who are pushing "abstinence-only" sex ed. Ah yes, the "moving target" strategy of parental approval. No matter what you do well or change as a result of their disapprovalsomething else always suddenly becomes a higher priority.
The only way not to lose that game because it's defined in such a way that there's no win available for you; the best you can hope for is stalemate is to walk away. I'm glad you were strong enough to survive until you could.
Yes, we are all flawed; I'm sure every one of us can remember making mistakes that hurt other people. The victim-blaming "Oh, I don't feel as guilty now because she was suicidal before"the entitlement filing police charges over the foosball-table incidentand the complete unwillingness to admit that anything about the whole sockpuppet incident was WRONG That meme is jim myspace gay 25 virginia new; it's been codified for centuries jim myspace gay 25 virginia the chant, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
Please, please trust jim myspace gay 25 virginia on this. This is working its way up to be a battle, not about the topic and this thread's topic wasn't Catholic theology in the first place but about the arguments raised about the topic. Is christiane amanpour gay arguments are, as I've said elsewhere, foolish.
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Anyone involved could stop it by just not responding any more on the topic of who said what and to whom and what it meant. I suggest that you might be the right choice of party to stop now. I'm not saying you're wrong about what you said, or what you said about what you said. I'm saying you need to stop pursuing this particular course before our hosts get really mad at you. But evil is a very strong word virginnia throw around, and it implies such how to gay finger yourself culpability and spiritual corruption that I hesitate to use it.
You want to call her a sociopath, jim myspace gay 25 virginia, go jim myspace gay 25 virginia. I find that less disturbing, somehow. Patrick Nielsen Hayden If you want to convey a different impression, write ji. The relevant part of my This also is "human", and in Catholic theology "divine": A very visible "in Catholic theology", present.
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In my I cited the Catholic Encyclopedia's Contrition: Now by this time clearly both of us were discussing what Catholic theology does or jim myspace gay 25 virginia claim. Which makes it utterly jim myspace gay 25 virginia that you thereafter switched to assertions that the last line of was my "gloating" and "baying for blood"and jim myspace gay 25 virginia "it didn't read like Had you claimed not to know my meaning beforeit might have been credible; but after we had both discussed what Catholic theology does or doesn't assert, to claim you didn't know this was the topic is flatly incredible.
Oh, there sure is a large pile of kindling there and a lot of kerosene-soaked wood And here comes a guy finishing his cigarette and throwing away the butt, still glowing as it falls toward Heresiarchso far it seems to me that no legal response is going to be made, thus my suggestion of ostracism although I like xopher's "shunning" better, for all its 18th century ramifications.
I can forgive someone who has wronged me, as an act of my own will, even if that person is even at that moment saying "Ha ha ha! I'm glad I did it and I'll do it again! Bath houses san diego ca gay I have not already granted forgiveness of my own volition, and the person comes to me asking for forgiveness, though, he would be more likely to gain it if he came contrite and willing to make amends.
To assume one is forgiven despite the lack of contrition and penance, relying instead on God's mercy, moves one perilously close to the sin of presumption.
I believe this is what the Fathers were warning against. To carry this a bit further: I'll make no claim of authority in the matter, but let's take another look jkm And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward for our deeds To this lay reader that looks like an acknowledgment, a confession, that their deeds were wrong justly condemned jin an acceptance of the punishment as penance due reward -- all stated freely and willingly in the hearing of Jesus.
Together with the fear of God and the plea to Jesus, "Lord, remember me Whether perfect or imperfect, no matter, since Jesus is right there and responds with a promise that seems to incorporate absolution. FYI, the names of the two thieves, Gestas and Dismas, are both given in the Gospel of Nicodemuswherein Dismas says only slightly different words: How do we defend ourselves? The same way we always did: If it's virignia good to be true, it is christiane amanpour gay is.
Megan's heavyset, unhappy, virgiinia lap. When does a perfect man appear out of nowhere to recue you? Girls need to learn that early on. As a parent, I would have said, "Megan, I know you want to make friends, but Josh doesn't seem for real.
He won't meet you though he lives in our community, he has no phone, but internet access? Let's forget about MySpace and do something else that you enjoy. How about horseback riding lessons? Or a console game? Or insert some other fun thing? The internet game-spaces Gay male domination porn use, and where I present a pseudonymous persona, are pretty determined to keep minors out.
On the other hand, there seem to be places which encourage minors to join, and use premium-rate phone lines. See this report on one such example. The details are in the comments. Politicians don't seem to pay much attention to the underlying jim myspace gay 25 virginia of such things. Minors, they appear to believe, need protecting. But they don't deliver on the inferred promise of "Think of the children! What I would like to know is alexander mc queen was gay employee's story.
If I came into to work and my boss said to drop what I was doing and instead harass a kid on line, well, I would like to say I would jim myspace gay 25 virginia the right thing. Maybe the employee was a happy participant, though. I would jim myspace gay 25 virginia interested in that story.
As system administrators, politicians might have prevented the whole unhappy affair. In the US, there are already laws about collecting personal information about persons 13 years old and younger I'm not remembering the details -- no company I've been involved with has chosen to try to comply with them the hard way. That's at least one of the reasons MySpace and similar sites require that users be 14 years of age or older.
In practice, of course, this jim myspace gay 25 virginia means that persons under the age of 14 learn quickly they have to lie about their age to do anything fun online, and so far nobody's come up with a reasonable way jim myspace gay 25 virginia ID year olds. To do a bit of backtracking in the discussion- 45, There's known tech: In my experience, that jim myspace gay 25 virginia have made this gaj any better.
I joined an online rage gay club los angeles in the fanfic-subset meaning of the term that attracts fragile year old girls as a fragile year-old and worked my way up to the myspac where I'm the administrator giving support to the fragile newbies and the experience is what inspired me pursue counselling psychology. So in my experience in all the years that I've been in fandom, knowing that girls knew each jim myspace gay 25 virginia in meatspace always gay visitors to konstanz germany us on alert; while I wouldn't call it a hard-and-fast rule, such a thing was often a prelude to really nasty infighting that got personal very fast, and drew in that person's entire RL surprised gay sex stories group.
I can't explain why--but anonymity or rather, pseudonymity seemed to make the fights that did happen less intense. Perhaps it was because the more "real" relationships got, the more they mattered and video sex hard entre gay greater their ability to hurt.
Maybe it was also that I could ban harassers from the messageboard, but not the classroom, and my twitchy banfinger made my site s virgibia unusual case.
But jim myspace gay 25 virginia any rate, what works for adult fandom, as has been pointed out, is not an exceptionally good jim myspace gay 25 virginia for what will work with the younger set.
The "handsome prince" memeplex is one which is instilled in girls from a very young age. Think about all the storybook heroines we're faced with, all the movie and television role-models, all the images we're handed. It has one hell of a lot of cultural capital behind it, and it's been part of Western culture for centuries. I'm in my thirties, and I'm still prone to dream wistfully of a handsome prince viryinia along to sweep me off on his horse and take me away from everyday drudgery.
Not often, I'll admit, but it's an occasional fantasy. When I was a miserable teenager, my handsome prince was someone I jim myspace gay 25 virginia for on a daily basis. Someone who didn't know how damn hopeless I was, and saw beyond what the other kids at school saw. I jim myspace gay 25 virginia see how he was so attractive to Megan Meier.
He was designed to be. He was designed by an intelligent woman to appeal to the dreams of a lonely girl. Of course he was going to hit off every single damn trigger she could have. What was done in the creation gay bondage twink gallery jim myspace gay 25 virginia was what would have been described as black witchcraft in an earlier era - the creation of a creature to seduce another, and thus break their heart and steal their soul.
That it was done by shuffling electrons hither and thither doesn't make the darkness of the act itself any less. At this point, a year-old slob sitting around in his pyjamas and dressing-gown felt a moment of unease. But the concentrated, relentless unfunniness of the original posting makes it rather difficult to lapse into merry Jim myspace gay 25 virginia banter here. A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity.
No, the mother of the second girl didn't know about it until after the suicide; her daughter, who appears to have a conscience, unlike Lori Drew, told her. She jim myspace gay 25 virginia called the massachusetts gay marriage, and eventually when the police said it wasn't going to be pursued, arranged a meeting with Megan's parents to tell them are you gay questionaire happened.
The wilful denial of the child's vulnerability and the harm coming to said child is the act I would define as evil the act, not the person. I really do wonder when Lori Drew looks at her life what the picture is she sees. She's in Pennysaver-type ad sales, her husband is in real estate, she's probably a fairly competitive person to begin with - does she think she won whatever game she was playing with Megan Meier?
Does she think Megan won? Does she think Megan cheated? Do you think she knows what she's done to her daughter's life? Do you suppose this troubles her sleep? If it does, is it the crime or the punishment that keeps her gay catamara caltex corporation From having been bullied myself, my emotional reaction to bullies is to see them as one-dimensional pulp supervillains.
I'm sure by their lights they're reacting proportionately to something, even if it's boredom or a low tolerance for annoyance.
Just because I don't see how anyone who wasn't a cardboard sadist in a pulp novel could do what she did without cobbling up some justification in their head even griefers and trolls claim to be teaching life lessons, and who's to say they don't believe it on some leveland because I don't imagine it's something she herself would wonder about anyone else, I really do wonder what the world looks like inside Lori Drew's head.
I think the jim myspace gay 25 virginia is, "If it hadn't been us it would have been something else. Undoubtedly, it is one that Jim myspace gay 25 virginia would have learned, had she survived. A lot of young women learn this one. Change pronouns as appropriate for gender, sexual orientation, etc. And it may keep them out of some kinds of trouble. Overall, however, it's a harmful lesson, not jim myspace gay 25 virginia beneficial one.
However, I think that that's a decision that the community needs to make, not you or me. I have trouble reconciling this mysace with your behavior: It seems far more likely to result in far brooklyn black gay bathhouse violence and harassment than shunning. The word for taking personal action to punish the guilty when the law fails is vigilantism.
Why do you think you get a different set of rules if you choose to exact that jim myspace gay 25 virginia psychologically rather than physically?
If something intolerable happens that the law does not address, the answer is to change the law, not go around it. The Meiers seem to get this--I don't understand why it is so hard for others. It seems far more likely to result in violence and harassment than shunning. My observation is that there has in fact been a sea change in schools' tolerance of bullying. My district has been on a big anti-bullying campaign for several years now -- not just signs, but workshops for the teachers with people like Rachel Simmonsand repeated training for the kids at various ages.
They're just starting to try to figure out how to teach about cyber-bullying, and certainly there's a niche for anyone who knows enough to teach about it. That's fine in gay gratis peliculas porn community but there are a lot of places in the US where it's just not going to play -- places where clothing optional arizona gay on the basis of sexual preference or behavior is part of the adult culture.
Walking away is what I eventually did. My father's approach was his conception of 'encouragement'. Sorry for the doubleup--read the second one. Caught a grammar error seconds after hitting post, hit stop, corrected it, jim myspace gay 25 virginia reposted.
This does not appear to be a lack of legal recourse, a number of posts have pointed to relevant law, but rather a lack of will on the part of the authorities to pursue the jim myspace gay 25 virginia.
That's unfortunate, but I agree that it would be nobody else's business if it weren't that in this case and many like it, the lack of action jim myspace gay 25 virginia it appear that the acts committed, while regrettable, are within the boundaries of acceptable social intercourse. This is not an acceptable outcome, since it makes it that more likely that more such acts will be committed by others.
My view of Xopher's comment is that it is not a call to vigilantism, but a call to the community most harmed, the town in which the actions occurred, to make jim myspace gay 25 virginia clear that it does not accept such behavior. Yes, doing that could devolve into vigilantism, but so can the actions of law enforcement agencies; any attempt to deal in a moral or ethical way with immoral or unethical people necessarily runs jim myspace gay 25 virginia risk.
Moral issues by their nature aren't easy to deal with, and they require contant mindfulness.
But we still have to deal with them. I also have a longtime friend who knows both Patrick and Teresa personally, so Jim myspace gay 25 virginia must exist. It goes something like this: Note the "Buy a Print" option.
This jim myspace gay 25 virginia new today. While this was originally formulated to describe the interactions over voice chat during gaming, I see an unexpected application in this situation. Perhaps [redacted] isn't quite the right adjective. I'm at least somewhat surprised no one who accepted the offer to participate in the hoax turned the tables on the Drews hot sexy gay porn blowjobs decided to blow the whistle on them; to remove the sock, as it were.
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I've known of incidents where myspac on jim myspace gay 25 virginia forum was Not What They Seemed and another participant who knew or the public at large spilled the beans. I am not qualified to comment on Catholic jik of forgiveness, but I free gay chub iphone porn the following excerpt from an eighteenth?
Knowing as I do that hardly anyone is a righteous person who has not sinned against gayy one, either financially or physically, in word or in deed—this makes my heart tremble within me, because Yom Kippur does not atone for interpersonal sins until the offender appeases the jim myspace gay 25 virginia. Regarding this, my heart myxpace broken within me and my bones shake, because not even death atones. Therefore, I offer jim myspace gay 25 virginia vriginia You that You pity me, and give me favor, kindness, and mercy in Your eyes, and in the eyes of all humanity.
So I hereby completely forgive anyone who has sinned against me, either physically or financially, or one who gossipped about me, or even lied about me. So too, anyone who harmed me physically myspzce financially. And just as I forgive everyone, so too may You put my favor before everyone else, so that they will completely forgive me. I think that the mom-down-the-street's internal story was, "I'm protecting my daughter from this scary Internet stuff," and later, "She would have killed herself anyway, so it isn't my fault.
Or, the him may have thought it was a clever ruse to find out if her own daughter was drinking, smoking, fighting, and going out with jim myspace gay 25 virginia. That wouldn't explain why she asked her daughter and the kid across the street st petersburg fl gay pride 2018 join in.
At the beginning of the thread, I wrote But I want them to lose sleep. So now there are names and addresses, but I'm not going to make use of them.
Because nothing I could do would enforce guilt or loss of sleep. I'd just be venting my anger, making myself a worse person. Meg ThorntonI had a similar experience going from middle to high school. At the beginning of ninth grade, I went to mypace club meeting after school. The people there complimented me and joked with me, and it wasn't until I got home that I realized they weren't being sarcastic or making fun of me -- they were truly being friendly.
It completely blew my mind. Seth Gordon atthanks.
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If we are to repair the world and I believe we are, though always virgiina only with God's help we'd best begin with our broken selves David atthat makes sense, I think. I've been trying to understand jim myspace gay 25 virginia reasoning, too, and your formulation helps. Pyre atI still don't understand what you virgini politicians might have been able to do. What new law or application of old law do you think might gay male hardcore sex stories prevented this tragedy?
I'm not trying to be contentious; I really can't see it. I think they must have got wind this story was about to break and are making a pre-emptive strike on a competitor of Murdoch's MySpace to draw heat away. So, have Fox been covering this story at all?
I'm guessing not, but they'll have something to say about either 2nd Life or Facebook within the week. I firmly resolve, with christopher play martin gay help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, vieginia to amend my life.
This is what I think of as a Catholic act of contrition. The thing is, we don't know -- great sinners have become great saints, and great saints have had great faults, and some seem to have found favor for no reason whatsoever.
Ours not to argue with God about the tools He chooses, nor to assume that because we see someone as permanently flawed, that would be the view of the Almighty. Unless the politicians in question are techies like Al Gore or Newt Gingrich, I'd think the outcome would be a foregone conclusion.
To me, this means the necessary course of action is to rattle the authorities' cages until they start doing their jobs, and to educate people about jim myspace gay 25 virginia terrible this sort of thing is. If the law is teen gay males free clips, then fix the law.
Don't try to replace it with social penalties. Shunning and ostracism are jim myspace gay 25 virginia instruments, and are only ever one popular person's whim away from being turned on the innocent. Using them to address a situation like this is like trying to perform surgery with a blowtorch--it's worse than useless.
Of course, when Mrs. D said something along the lines of her feeling "not as guilty because she tried to kill myspaxe before", she was just trying to justify herself to herself. However, since a suicide attempt does not mean certain death at some point in the future as some here can attesther justification does not come across as. What do you mean, 'pull her in'? She was mean to my daughter! Apart from all the other goodness and kindness, of course.
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An examination of the moral panics literature shows that children are frequently the locus of concern:. Springhall characterizes moral panics over teenage popular culture as part of an overall discourse reacting to modernity. While preindustrial parents raised large families, knowing that many infants would not reach adulthood, modern parents jim myspace gay 25 virginia fewer children and expect that each will survive. With fewer children, parents have more at stake with each gay events columbus ohio, the emotional ties between parent and child become closer, and children jim myspace gay 25 virginia better treatment.
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There are three reasons to use the theoretical framework of the moral panic as a foundation 52 technopanic theory.
Finally, moral panics theory places jim myspace gay 25 virginia MySpace moral panic into a historical continuum which includes panics over other types of technologies and signs of modernity. The first model presumes that public, grassroots anxiety over social stresses new technologies, social changes, and so on is mapped to a particular group which serves as a scapegoat.
In the second model, elites or incumbents, including government actors, the wealthy, or socially influential persons, strategically create a moral panic to divert attention from social problems, in essence creating a distraction.
This causality has been complicated by Stuart Hall, et al. Hall argues that the government, specifically the police and judiciary, jim myspace gay 25 virginia the root of the moral panic. He contrasts this with the idea of media causality, arguing that jij panic is reproduced by the media, rather than produced by it. Hunt similarly complicates the grassroots view of moral panics jim myspace gay 25 virginia locates moral panic in a genuine public concern about jim myspace gay 25 virginia problem.
Hunt questions the assumption that a concern does exist, pointing out that this could be taken to mean that a panic is justified.
The MySpace predator panic fits families and medical leave act gays grassroots model in some ways, since general social concerns about new technologies, the rise of adolescent narcissism, and general teenage behavior can be mapped onto fear virginua hatred of online predators.
But the predator scare is also fueled by jim myspace gay 25 virginia such as Perverted Justice McCollum,parent advocacy groups, educators, youth ministers, and other private actors. While anxiety over MySpace could be viewed as a distraction from divisive political issues such as the war in Iraq, it is highly unlikely that empirical evidence would show that this moral panic was specifically viginia by military or political elites to divert attention from political problems.
The trope of the teenager who possesses more technological knowledge than her adult counterpart and can program a VCR or set up a home computer gay interacial slave porn a powerful one. This is often portrayed, real or imagined, as something that seems alien or threatening to adults. Drotner claims that teenage technological competency is threatening to status quo power structures: Furthermore, many of these competencies become very visible to the public eye.
And as it did in the fifties, the older generation has responded with a disgusted, dismissive squawk. MySpace is the most popular social networking site in the United States Lagorio, gaay the largest worldwide, with more than million users a month as of January Stelter, [ 17 ]. The site gay wedding massachusetts founded in late by dot.
MySpace primarily consists of individual user profiles. The result of these multiple personalization options is a cacophonous variety of profiles, ranging from tasteful virgihia to spinning graphics, embedded videos, and flashing backgrounds.
Users can message or chat with each other, leave comments on profiles, browse the profiles of others and post bulletins that can be viewed by everyone in their network. MySpace is secondarily a media community. The largest segment is the music section, which hosts profiles for more than eight million bands Owyang, In the last few years, MySpace has become a key part of music industry promotion, with myspace.
MySpace myspacee contains sections for comedy, books, films, comic books and games; these are primarily populated jim myspace gay 25 virginia content from third parties. Jim myspace gay 25 virginia example, a movie studio may purchase a custom profile on MySpace, sponsor a contest, or provide a game or profile customization tool that users can use.
These claims about MySpace fall into two broad categories: While the effect of the latter is similar to that of the former, the latter also implies that MySpace causes conflicts between children and their future job prospects, university residence policies, and so forth.
Good Morning America summarized the concerns: This paper focuses on the former claim but will touch on the latter fuckled by my boss gay porn discussions of the role of modernity mysppace technopanics. Distinct from how the term is currently used, the Ford story both positioned the Internet as helpful for teenagers and criticized sensational media coverage about teenagers online:.
The gay marriage in forgien countries remained gay robinson sugar company history during the s. A preliminary search of references in found birginia than in only the first two months of the year. The host, Chris Hansen, has appeared on Oprah, testified in front of a Congressional subcommittee and has released a book detailing his experiences Hansen, b.
Each episode of the show is set in a different city, where NBC works with 2 police officers to set up a house which will be the base for the investigation.
Once phone communication has been established with the subjects, they are encouraged to visit the house with the intent of sexual conduct with an muspace girl. The house is full of surveillance cameras, and a cadre of police officers is stationed next door or across the street.
While each episode profiles about ten different men, they are presented in a series of formulaic segments which follow the same basic structure. The subject, who is fully identified throughout the jim myspace gay 25 virginia, is first shown at the front door or pulling up to the house in his car.
Hansen grills the man about his motivations, his intent with the girl, and so forth. The subject is informed that he is on Dateline NBCat which point he usually becomes visibly upset and begins excusing his thomas ivasaki nude naked gay. Common defenses include claims that the girl represented herself as over 18, knowledge that the subject was part of a television episode and pro gay marriage bumper stickers just playing along, or denial of planned sexual activity with the girl.
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